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		<title>By: Aaron H</title>
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		<description>It seems to me that this horribly handled bailout package is part of a greater effort by the left to stick it to Capitalism. It&#039;s another way of saying &quot;Capitalism failed&quot; as we slowly eek our way closer to Socialism. 

I&#039;m constantly reminded of the famous story from Davey Crockett, paraphrased as follows:

&quot;Several years ago I was one evening standing on the steps of the Capitol with some other members of Congress, when our attention was attracted by a great light over in Georgetown. It was evidently a large fire. We jumped into a hack and drove over as fast as we could. In spite of all that could be done, many houses were burned and many families made homeless, and, besides, some of them had lost all but the clothes they had on. The weather was very cold, and when I saw so many women and children suffering, I felt that something ought to be done for them. The next morning a bill was introduced appropriating $20,000 for their relief. We put aside all other business and rushed it through as soon as it could be done....&quot;

&quot;The next summer ... I saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward the road. I gauged my gait so that we should meet as he came to the fence. As he came up, I spoke to the man. He replied politely, but, as I thought, rather coldly.

&quot;I began: &#039;Well, friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called candidates, and--&#039;

&quot;&#039;Yes, I know you; you are Colonel Crockett, I have seen you once before, and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you are out electioneering now, but you had better not waste your time or mine. I shall not vote for you again.&#039;

Though I live here in the backwoods and seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington and read very carefully all the proceedings of Congress. My papers say that last winter you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some sufferers by a fire in Georgetown. Is that true?&#039;

&quot;&#039;Well, my friend; I may as well own up. You have got me there. But certainly nobody will complain that a great and rich country like ours should give the insignificant sum of $20,000 to relieve its suffering women and children, particularly with a full and overflowing Treasury, and I am sure, if you had been there, you would have done just as I did.&#039;

&quot;&#039;It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle. In the first place, the government ought to have in the Treasury no more than enough for its legitimate purposes. But that has nothing to do with the question. The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be intrusted to man, particularly under our system of collecting revenue by a tariff, which reaches every man in the country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is the more he pays in proportion to his means. What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how much he pays to the government. So you see, that while you are contributing to relieve one, you are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off than he. If you had the right to give anything, the amount was simply a matter of discretion with you, and you had as much right to give $20,000,000 as $20,000. If you have the right to give to one, you have the right to give to all; and, as the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, you are at liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe, or profess to believe, is a charity, and to any amount you may think proper. You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other. No, Colonel, Congress has no right to give charity. Individual members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose. If twice as many houses had been burned in this county as in Georgetown, neither you nor any other member of Congress would have thought of appropriating a dollar for our relief. There are about two hundred and forty members of Congress. If they had shown their sympathy for the sufferers by contributing each one week&#039;s pay, it would have made over $13,000. There are plenty of wealthy men in and around Washington who could have given $20,000 without depriving themselves of even a luxury of life. The congressmen chose to keep their own money, which, if reports be true, some of them spend not very creditably; and the people about Washington, no doubt, applauded you for relieving them from the necessity of giving by giving what was not yours to give. The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution.

&quot;&#039;So you see, Colonel, you have violated the Constitution in what I consider a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits of the Constitution, there is no limit to it, and no security for the people. I have no doubt you acted honestly, but that does not make it any better, except as far as you are personally concerned, and you see that I cannot vote for you....&quot;

I don&#039;t think it should be the government&#039;s responsibility to EVER give handouts. Not for disaster relief, corporate bailouts, welfare, or anything else. Theirs should be the duty of overseeing the safety of America, enforce laws, and develop federal policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that this horribly handled bailout package is part of a greater effort by the left to stick it to Capitalism. It&#8217;s another way of saying &#8220;Capitalism failed&#8221; as we slowly eek our way closer to Socialism. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m constantly reminded of the famous story from Davey Crockett, paraphrased as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;Several years ago I was one evening standing on the steps of the Capitol with some other members of Congress, when our attention was attracted by a great light over in Georgetown. It was evidently a large fire. We jumped into a hack and drove over as fast as we could. In spite of all that could be done, many houses were burned and many families made homeless, and, besides, some of them had lost all but the clothes they had on. The weather was very cold, and when I saw so many women and children suffering, I felt that something ought to be done for them. The next morning a bill was introduced appropriating $20,000 for their relief. We put aside all other business and rushed it through as soon as it could be done&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The next summer &#8230; I saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward the road. I gauged my gait so that we should meet as he came to the fence. As he came up, I spoke to the man. He replied politely, but, as I thought, rather coldly.</p>
<p>&#8220;I began: &#8216;Well, friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called candidates, and&#8211;&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Yes, I know you; you are Colonel Crockett, I have seen you once before, and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you are out electioneering now, but you had better not waste your time or mine. I shall not vote for you again.&#8217;</p>
<p>Though I live here in the backwoods and seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington and read very carefully all the proceedings of Congress. My papers say that last winter you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some sufferers by a fire in Georgetown. Is that true?&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Well, my friend; I may as well own up. You have got me there. But certainly nobody will complain that a great and rich country like ours should give the insignificant sum of $20,000 to relieve its suffering women and children, particularly with a full and overflowing Treasury, and I am sure, if you had been there, you would have done just as I did.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle. In the first place, the government ought to have in the Treasury no more than enough for its legitimate purposes. But that has nothing to do with the question. The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be intrusted to man, particularly under our system of collecting revenue by a tariff, which reaches every man in the country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is the more he pays in proportion to his means. What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how much he pays to the government. So you see, that while you are contributing to relieve one, you are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off than he. If you had the right to give anything, the amount was simply a matter of discretion with you, and you had as much right to give $20,000,000 as $20,000. If you have the right to give to one, you have the right to give to all; and, as the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, you are at liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe, or profess to believe, is a charity, and to any amount you may think proper. You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other. No, Colonel, Congress has no right to give charity. Individual members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose. If twice as many houses had been burned in this county as in Georgetown, neither you nor any other member of Congress would have thought of appropriating a dollar for our relief. There are about two hundred and forty members of Congress. If they had shown their sympathy for the sufferers by contributing each one week&#8217;s pay, it would have made over $13,000. There are plenty of wealthy men in and around Washington who could have given $20,000 without depriving themselves of even a luxury of life. The congressmen chose to keep their own money, which, if reports be true, some of them spend not very creditably; and the people about Washington, no doubt, applauded you for relieving them from the necessity of giving by giving what was not yours to give. The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;So you see, Colonel, you have violated the Constitution in what I consider a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits of the Constitution, there is no limit to it, and no security for the people. I have no doubt you acted honestly, but that does not make it any better, except as far as you are personally concerned, and you see that I cannot vote for you&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it should be the government&#8217;s responsibility to EVER give handouts. Not for disaster relief, corporate bailouts, welfare, or anything else. Theirs should be the duty of overseeing the safety of America, enforce laws, and develop federal policies.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do need a more intelligent govt., but will we get it? That is the trillion dollar question. I have a hard time believing the federal govt. will all of a sudden pull their heads out. For some reason they seem to think they have all the answers. It was govt. that got us into this mess and now we are supposed to believe that the almighty govt. is supposed to save us? The economy has stumbled and it will continue to do so as long as the govt. tries to save us. A government that is afraid to see its people fail are just as afraid to see them succeed. Big oil had little to do with gas prices in 2008 and yet the federal govt. wanted to step in and punish them. why? This is the land of opportunity not the land of promises. The only thing we are promised in life is death. 

I do like your ideas about the tax cuts/rebates having a finite amount of to be used, now if only washington could wrap their minds around the fact that ingenuity is something that should be nutured we would be getting somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do need a more intelligent govt., but will we get it? That is the trillion dollar question. I have a hard time believing the federal govt. will all of a sudden pull their heads out. For some reason they seem to think they have all the answers. It was govt. that got us into this mess and now we are supposed to believe that the almighty govt. is supposed to save us? The economy has stumbled and it will continue to do so as long as the govt. tries to save us. A government that is afraid to see its people fail are just as afraid to see them succeed. Big oil had little to do with gas prices in 2008 and yet the federal govt. wanted to step in and punish them. why? This is the land of opportunity not the land of promises. The only thing we are promised in life is death. </p>
<p>I do like your ideas about the tax cuts/rebates having a finite amount of to be used, now if only washington could wrap their minds around the fact that ingenuity is something that should be nutured we would be getting somewhere.</p>
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